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Morten  Springborg's avatar

Hi Joachim, Allow me to disagree with you. Your comment is flawed because it focuses on wholesale costs when surely what matters to society and the consumer is the total costs.

I wrote a White Paper on this a year ago.

"The total cost of electricity is only marginally affected in

the early phases of the rollout of renewables. The system

can accommodate the marginal new production without

significantly reducing other production sources. However,

as intermittent renewable energy becomes a larger share

of electricity, other generative assets must step back to

give room for renewable electricity. However, since the

renewables are intermittent, their capacity factors are

low and very volatile, so the large incumbent baseload

capacities must be on standby to compensate for when

the sun is not shining, or the wind is now blowing. This

adds to system costs.

Beyond a certain point, usually around a share of 30%,

the cost to a nation’s electricity system always increases

with higher shares of variable renewable energy, such as

wind and solar8

. The reasons include but are not limited

to low power density and efficiency, intermittency and

thus backup/storage requirement, low-capacity factors,

interconnection costs, and material and energy costs. The

IEA confirmed in December 2020 that “…the system value

of variable renewables such as wind and solar decreases

as their share in the power supply increases”"

The paper can be accessed here: https://www.cworldwide.com/media/vpqccp4a/the-struggle-to-achieve-net-zero-emissions.pdf

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Martin Schwoerer's avatar

In principle, I agree. In practice, the principle is flawed.

But I mean this specifically as referred to Germany, my country. Here, we not only have charming phenomenon called Dunkelflaute. Meaning, those weeks in winter when neither the sun shines, nor the wind blows. We also have the equally ominous Hellbrise where there is too much solar and wind energy being generated.

The problem for the latter is sub-zero market costs for electricity, reducing equipment ROI to minus, or (and this is how Germany did it, to a cost of over €20 bn in 2024), handing the bill to the taxpayer.

And a Dunkelflaute means sky-hi costs, unless you can import cheap nuclear power from abroad.

The crucial word is system costs. They're all that matter, because they include transmission and storage. Please don't discuss the costs of power generation if you're not including the system costs.

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