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Gunnar Miller's avatar

The German guy who founded a company for which I used to work used to say "Germans are great savers, and great speculators, but lousy investors". I've observed that I am only ever pumped for stock tips by the locals very close to market tops (in fact, I view it as a useful contrarian signal) ... it makes me want to say "well where were you five or 10 years ago?" Then people pile in at the top, and usually into a handful of high-flying single stock names instead of into a broadly-diversified index fund, and then they inevitably get crushed, which reinforces the bad societal vibes on equities ... how many Germans are still carrying a 77% top-tick loss in Deutsche Telekom stock nearly a quarter-century later https://www.google.com/finance/quote/DTE:ETR?hl=de&window=MAX ?

Take a look at a "Bierdeckel" I saw in Frankfurt in 1999 https://1drv.ms/f/s!At9od58qwtRejZBA7omWkC0gw5rfEg . The way German media portrays people involved in the stock market as constantly jumping up and down and/or running around with their ties flapping in the wind behind them is something one doesn't see anywhere else. This isn't a game :-( I was shocked to learn that in Germany, land of needing a license to go golfing, that there's no security licensing requirment as in the US with the Series 7 and UK via the FSA, so kids are plopped in front of telephones to start smiling and dialing on their first day at work. This all contributes to a general public cynicism about the investment business ("investment products are sold not bought").

I think one of the chief contributing factors to the phenomenon you describe is that Americans have self-directed 401k plans, and the British have ISAs, but the attempt at "Riester Rente" in Germany was a flop ... nothing gets one more interested in long-term investing than having some "skin in the game" with a substantial portion of one's own retirement funds. German treatment of investment gains at 25% "Abgeltungsteuer" for everything should make equity investment very attractive, but the German government's insistance on complicated tax calculation as one goes rather than just allowing things to compound up and then taxing it on withdrawl is a serious impediment to building real wealth. Another issue might have been the historic domiciling of brokerage accounts at banks rather than brokerages, and the resulting extraordinarily high fee levels. Before my local German bank kicked me out for being American, they offered to set up a special managed account (which turned out to be pretty much the DJIA), and with a straight face said they'd only charge me 3.5% (!) per year to do so. German retail mutual funds routinely have 150-175bp fees and relatively low-hurdle performance fees (sometimes booked on the first day of the year), which soak up realistic annual investment returns but quick. Finally, people are so over- focused on tax avoidance that they ignore Warren Buffet's famous warning "More investment sins are probably committed by otherwise quite intelligent people because of "tax considerations" than from any other cause.” I'd rather pay 25% flat on a 10-12% average annual equity return than stick my money in some "insurance wrapper" bond thing that turns out to be tax-free but with an effective yield of 1-2%.

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Simon Johnson's avatar

There is a great quote from 'The Big Short' which amused me after watching WestLB/Dresdner/Commerzbank

...the folly of subprime mortgage investors, some large number of whom seemed to live in Dusseldorf, Germany. "Whenever we'd ask

him who was buying this crap," said Vinny, "he always just said,

'Dusseldorf.'" It didn't matter whether Dusseldorf was buying actual cash

subprime mortgage bonds or selling credit default swaps on those same

mortgage bonds, as they amounted to one and the same thing: the long side of

the bet.

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